Yeah I agree. At first I thought he was, but why would Voldemort want to kill Harry? He has to know even if he doesn't remember. He must of left soem cluse or can feel it. Plus Jo said so in her interview for the post HBP that Harry wasn't a Horcrux.

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Plus Jo said so in her interview for the post HBP that Harry wasn't a Horcrux.

I'm in Texas so I did not see the interview. I would love to though. There goes all my theories!

Patricia

You can actually read it online on various Harry Potter sites and Jo's site. I think they have it posted somewhere here too. I live in New York the inteview hasn't made tv in the US or atleast I don't think so.

doesnt a significant death have to take place in order for a horcrux to be made??

we have the ring diary something of gryffindors ....ravenclaws hufflepuffs cup locket and something else ......in the forth would voldemort needed to use a horcrux to get back to full strength or not? im not sure. he could of used nagini but he said he needed harrys blood for him to be at his strongest

did DD say something about voldemort only having created six horcruxes n harrys death was goin to create the seventh, well we dont know for certain that he made one after failin to kill harry so he could have made the final one when he killed frank bryce so it could be nagini

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I just have a couple corrections:

1) Any death can be used to create a Horcrux because it is murder that splits the soul. However, Voldemort certainly does have style (albeit a bad one) so Dumbeldore predicts that he would use significant murders. That's just from Dumbeldore's own psychological observations of Tom Riddle.

2) He said that Voldemort was trying to make 6 Horcruxes. The seventh bit of soul is still within Voldemort himself. Harry was supposed to be the sixth. Too bad, though... because the number 7 has lots of magical properties that could have been fun to speculate on.

Oh well... I'm sure there's a lot more to be said about the attempted Horcrux making with Harry.

As everyone knows, Harry or either Voldemort has to die if they want to kill each other off. Well, the first post i read was the first one posted and i thought perhaps Harry must die as well in order to stop Voldemort living.

J.K. Rowling also said she was only going to write 7 books in all. Even if Harry wasn't intended to be one of Voldemort's Horcruxes, he would have somthing to do with if Voldemort lives or dies. Remember when Dumbledore said that when Voldemort tried to kill harry, instead of killing him, he transfered some of his powers to him, such as his ablility to speak Parseltongue and Harry can also sense and feel when Voldemort is happy or sad. So either way, harry is somewhat bonded to Voldemort.

If Harry doesnt die ( which i really hope he doesnt) J.K. Rowling will leave all her readers suspended in mid-air, but we will never come down because she won't write another book after book 7!! i dont know what other people think of my theory, but to me it makes some sort of sense.

ooo oo! ive just thought of another point! There was a heavy locket that none of them could open when Harry. Ginny, Fread, George Hermione and the other saw when they were cleaning the house! Harry didn't know about the Horcruxes until book 6! this information was given to us in book 5. But then Harry saw the locket in the memory with Dumbledore, so he must have vaguely remembered it!

Another theory is Kreacher went with Regulus to retrieve the Horcrux with him. As you need two people to retrieve it. Perhpas Regulus went by himself first but then realized he needed two people to cross it. Didn't Slughorn teach Regulus potions? I'm pretty sure Regulus did his 6th year and that year he would have learned about Specialis Revelio- the spell that shows the performer of the spell what the potion cotains. As you know, the boat only allows one person to cross. Harry and Dumbledore could cross together because Harry wasn't a fully grown adult. Kreacher, loving his mistress- Siriu's father would probably have no objection in coming with Regulus as he was Kreacher's favourite son. Kreacher, as a house elf, is bound to the enchantments of his own so if Regulus told Kreacher not tell anyone that he had been outside the house he wouldnt. And, Kreacher is definatly not an adult so he probably would have been able to cross with Regulus easily.

Dumbledore said that Kreacher hadn't been outside the house for years. But he didnt say how long. Regulus died 15 years previously so Regulus must have taken the Horcrux before he died. Regulus could have died because he drank the potion and not killed my Death Eaters. Regulus might have lived long enough to tell Kreacher to keep the locket safe. Kreacher using his own brand of magic could probably have conjured fire and water to save both of them.

When Hermione, Ron and Harry went to give Kreacher Hermione's present, they saw a few glinting objects in Kreacher's nest. One of them could well be Slytherin's locket. *phew well im getting really tired looking at the screen so i might type some more later!
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Hello miss_tang.

First off, you need to READ THE THREADS - ALL 15 PAGES IN THIS CASE - before you post. SEVERAL people have already mentioned the locket and what Kreacher may have done with it PAGES back in this discussion. Posting this again just clutters up the thread and makes it even LONGER. If you read the thread through, you'll notice that you are also not the first person to be instructed to read the threads through before informing us all that there was a locket at 12 Grimmauld place.

Secondly, you can EDIT a post by using the handy-dandy edit button at the upper right of every post you make. That way, you don't need to double-post.

I'd just like to say something about Harry being a horcrux. If you remember, Dumbledore said that anything live would be a bad idea for a horcrux because it has a mind of its own, and most likely would be able to control the soul. But, this was just when he was talking about a snake, now think about a human. It would be to risky, they might be able to find a way of distroying it without distroying themselves, or they could totally control it. I also think that since humans already have souls, and unless thay have killed, then they have a complete soul, so where would a horcrux go. It cna't just be in the body because that is where the soul already is. Unless a wizard takes part of his soul out and puts another wizards soul into it, there would be no chance in it not being totally controlled.

I know this is a really long thread to read, Rena... but it's essential that you do... especially with the long threads. All of those points you've made have already been stated by other members. If things just get repeated it gets really cluttered. Plus... it's simply respectful to the people who posted it first not to repeat it as your own thoughts.

*steps into thread*
Hi, everyone! I have a thought that kind of branches out in a different direction than most of the theories here--Well, it wasn't my thought, it was brought up in Mugglenet Chat last night.

Anyway,here it is....So Harry and Dumbledore are in the cave looking for the Horcrux, and Harry suggests they use a summoning charm. So, Harry raises his wand and says, "Accio Horcrux!"

Then,
With a noise like an explosion, something very large and pale erupted out of the dark water some twenty feet away; [...]"
"What was that?"
"Something, I think, that is ready to respond should we attempt to seize the Horcrux."

So, if R.A.B left the FAKE horcrux in there, why, then, when Harry summoned the REAL Horcrux, (He had no idea the thing in the middle of the lake would be a fake Horcrux!) did the FAKE Horcrux jump out?

The only idea we had last night, is that it has to do with the Summoning Charm, and that Harry was focusing on the Horcrux in the middle of the lake when he said "Accio Horcrux."

But then...technically, isn't it possible to say, "Accio J.K. Rowling", but be focusing on a pencil on your desk, and it would fly to you?

I don't know, but I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this!

I believe that the large and pale object that erupted from the lake was in fact an inferi, placed there as yet another warning not to disturb the actual horcrux (or fake ;)) at the center of the lake. Certainly, Lord Voldemort would have made it impossible for a simple spell like "accio" to be effective in this cave, which has so many other protections surrounding it.

I think I understand what you're saying...that the Inferi was there to jump out and keep the Horcrux hidden should someone attempt to summon it? Right, but that still doesn't answer my question...If the locket in there wasn't really the Horcrux, then why did it start to go to Harry* when he summoned it, because that wasn't what Harry summoned!

(*This is how I interpreted it--Harry says "Accio Horcrux", and the Horcrux starts to respond to the spell, but then the Inferi jumps out to block it, and keeps the Horcrux safe. Obviously, like you said, Voldy would have thought of the simple Summoning charm.

But if you interpret it as--Harry says "Accio Horcrux", the inferi responds to the "Accio" and immediately blocks it to protect the Horcrux...again, Voldy thought of the Summoning spell.
In both cases, Voldy is setting the Inferi to keep the Horcrux safe.

Then for the second interpretation, my question would have no basis whatsoever, because in that case, the fake horcrux doesn't respond to the spell anyway!

Wow, I'm confusing myself!:conf Does any of that make any sense?

I think the second explanation is closer to the truth. The Inferi were instructed, if that is the right word, to respond to efforts to retrieve the Horcrux. Casting the spell caused a response from an Inferi, but I don't think it was blocking the spell. That would imply that the spell would have worked if it wasn't blocked, in which case they could have used Accio once they got to the island to remove the locket from the potion. This would make the potion ineffective and irrelevant, so I don't think Accio would have worked at all. What then was the purpose of the Inferi jumping up? Well, I think that was just a sca-sca-scare tactic which di-di-didn't work on me at all! - shivers.