im really not sure about him,



in the first book, when harry is getting his wand Ollivander calls LV 'the Dark Lord' im not sure if this is in the film or the book but he did it in one of them, and after all, Harry says to Snape that he has only ever heard death eaters refer to him as DL... i think



also it says that Harry isnt sure he liked Mr Ollivander.



i was wondering about your views on him, do you think that he is a death eater, or do you think he is, like Snape, a spy for Dumbledore, as he seems to consort with him alot...?



Phil

I honestly don't know since we don't see that much of him. I dont remember him calling him the dark lord. IN the movie im pretty sure he says we dont speak his name. In the book i cant remember as its been almost a year since i have read it. I suppose he could be, but would DD let him come to hogwarts if he was a death eater? Then again he let Karkoff and Snape , knowing they were ex death eater. Perahaps Olivander is an ex death eater. I find it hard to believe he would be currently a death eater.



But who knows

What if calling him the Dark Lord was Ollivanders way of saying his name. Kind of like how Dumbledore says that fear of the name promotes fear of the thing itself, or something like that. Maybe he uses "Dark Lord" to denounce fear of the Death Eaters. Just a theory, though.



But I truly don't believe that Ollivander could take a strong position with one side, even good. In his business, he would have to cater to all types of wizards. I don't think he could deny Draco Malfoy a wand to attend Hogwarts with, just because he will most likely become a dark wizard. I see him as having to maintain a neutral status. Does that make sense?

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just re-read that chapter and he doesnt say DL but i still think that there will be more of Ollivander in teh next two

Yeah, I kinda had a gut feeling that Ollivander isn't all that he seems. On first glance, he's just the freaky dude that sells wands, but I think that there's something else there. Now that it's summer, I'll definately have to re-read the series and do some research on Ollivander.

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just re-read that chapter and he doesnt say DL but i still think that there will be more of Ollivander in teh next two

Wait...so he doesn't say it in the books? I'm pretty sure he says it in the movie, and I don't think Rowling should/would allow such a discrepancy. I have often wondered about Ollivander myself. He seemd liked an okay guy - maybe he got sidetracked once or something. I don't know.

I think that there isn't so much to Ollivander. Sure, he had a creepiness about him, but working in a quiet &amp; creepy store like that for years on will surely make someone uniquely weird. I have to go back over the passages about Ollivander... and they are few... but how old is he? Regardless, I think he's just &quot;the wand guy&quot; and nothing more. If he were to be significant in anyway, I'm sure something, even in the least, would have been mentioned in the later books. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :shrug --><img src=http://pages.prodigy.net/siriusblack/boards/smilies/shrug.gif ALT=":shrug]<!--EZCODE EMOTICON END-->



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I agree with you, Synnabun, about Ollivander being impartial, but I am going to offer an argument to counter what I think anyway, just for kicks.



In GoF, how truly necessary was it to have Ollivander leave London and travel all the way to Hogwarts just to examine four wands? I mean, couldn't either:



a) someone local have tested them (Hogsmeade being the only all-wizard town in Britain makes it hard to believe there wouldn't be an availability of wands)?



b) Dumbledore and perhaps Maxine and Karkaroff have examined the wands?



or c) why couldn't the Champions just test their wands with some basic charms or whathaveyou, and have someone like Flitwick check them?



to say nothing of d) if these students use their wands on a daily basis under the supervision of their professors, why on earth do they need to be tested? If Susie's wand is good enough for her Transfiguration assignment, isn't it more or less good enough for whatever else she'd use it for?



I'm highly skeptical about Ollivander's apparently dire need to be at Hogwarts to weigh the wands, as it seems rather silly and fussy to make such a big production of it. If that chapter was meant to emphasize to us readers how important and unique wands are for their respective owners, well yeah, we've known that since Philosopher's Stone, and we scarcely need reminding of such a trivial fact.



I just don't see Dumbledore hauling Ollivander's cookies all the way to Hogwarts, just to run a maintenance check on four students' wands. But I do have a conspiracy theory or two that popped into my head as I was writing this. Granted, they go against my belief that Ollivander maintains a steady neutral position in the wizarding world, but who says you can't have a bit of fun with trying out theories?!



Conspiracy #1. Ollivander was there because Karkaroff was there...perhaps they are in cahoots or something, or Ollivander is also an ex-death-eater, and he and Karkaroff and possibly Snape all seized the wand-weighing thing as an excuse for them to congregate without arousing suspicion, and they could talk about...oh I dunno, whatever ex-death eaters talk about. When Karkaroff shows Snape his arm after Harry's potions class, that tells us that there has been for some time a certain level of communication (fear loves company?) between former Voldemort supporters. It's kind of like in school when you and your friends all get in trouble, so you carefully discuss what your &quot;story&quot; is before you tell it to the dean/headmistress/principal. It's a survival instinct.



Conspiracy #2. Ollivander is in cahoots with Dumbledore, and he came to make sure that Karkaroff, as an ex-death eater, wasn't trying to (and yes, this is a verrrry long shot!) somehow use dark magic to help Viktor in the tournament. Ollivander would sort of be like the official that administers drug tests to athletes to make sure that nobody's using illegal steroids. I mean, we know how very desperate Karkaroff is for the Durmstrang champion to win, so how far would he go to get that to happen? But if Karkaroff is an EX death eater, wouldn't Dumbledore trust him almost as much as he trusts Snape? Hmmm, tell me what you think, guys...<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :shrug --><img src=http://pages.prodigy.net/siriusblack/boards/smilies/shrug.gif ALT=":shrug]<!--EZCODE EMOTICON END-->



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As he climbs to the top of the world

No sound as he falls instead of rising

Time standing still..."

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im sorry but i dont buy those theories, if either of those were the case then we would have found out sometime during the book, i mean there seems no point in keeping that from us.



i think that the reasob Ollivander performed the Wand Ceremony was just so that JK could introduce Rita, that was the only major occurance at the Ceremony. Perhaps Ollivander was there to just remind us that he is still alive, and to hint that we will see more of him.

Sorry, BlackMagenta, I agree with Phil. Ollivander was just there to test the wands. Firstly, they would want the best to check them to make sure that all the champions were on equal footing. The students, or even the staff for that matter, wouldn't necessarily be able to tell themselves as they often have difficulties with the spells and might not notice that it was the wand causing the problems. Secondly, it's not that far of a journey to Hogwarts from Diagon Ally; all you have to do is catch the next fireplace. Ergo there would be no need for more than one wand maker in the country anyway. There is also no mention any of the students going to Hogsmead to get their supplies, they all go to Diagon Ally for those. Additionally, when Ron's wand was broken in CoS, Harry told Ron to write home for another one, denoting that he couldn't just pop into Hogsmead to get one. Therefore, I think it's unlikely that Ollivander is involved in any conspiracy.

He may, however, show up in the next books and if he does, he will be on Dumbledore's side. He does say that Voldemort did great things, but acknowledges that they were terrible. An astute comment which, despite the compliment to Voldemort, places him on the good side.

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I agree with you, Synnabun, about Ollivander being impartial, but I am going to offer an argument to counter what I think anyway, just for kicks.

I agree with you all as well, which I stated at the beginning of my post. I was just playing around being devil's advocate, to see how far I could take some completely random theories. I'm a sensible enough individual that I know better than to really think there's any conspiracy going on. I'm really glad that you guys replied with logical reasons to refute my far-flung theories...but I still have a hard time believing in the necessity of the wand weighing ceremony, unless it was merely, as one of you suggested, to jog our memory about him...I guess...

anyways, didn't want you guys to think I was comletely off my rocker or something...

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"All eyes see the figure of the wizard

As he climbs to the top of the world

No sound as he falls instead of rising

Time standing still..."

(R. Blackmore,1976)

Your theories are interesting, but unlikely. Note I didn't say impossible. Because JKR hasn't given much info on Ollivander, she could go anywhere with him! It leaves an endless amount of possibilities that anyone could guess... so I need not list any.



I believe Ollivander's presence for the wand-weighing was just general procedure for such an event as the Tri-wizard Tournament. It could definitely be considered the equivalent of "drug testing"... as in all those in charge want to make sure the competitors are all legit and are not attempting any cheating (as far as their wands go anyway).



I still maintain that Ollivander is just the wand dude. You never know though, JKR could throw us for a loop and make him Voldemort's long lost brother or something... or even Dumbledore's brother! Heh... I'm kidding!!!! But you never know!



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Majenta? Sure, your theories are unlikely, but won't YOU be kicking ass if they're true? I liked your theories, because even though they were a little bizarre, who knows? They COULD happen! And even if they don't, at least they're interesting!



And although we all know that Ollivander is the wand-making king, I can see your point that there's NOT much point in dragging him all the way up to Hogwarts just for a what, five minute ceremony?



On the other hand, I guess if it's traditional...



So, this useless post shows that I have no idea about the significance of Mr. Ollivander in the next 2 books, BUT! I did like the conspiracy theories, they make speculation much more fun!!



Just my input...



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Instead of Ollivander traveling to Hogwarts to measure the wands, couldn't they get that machine or whatever it was that tested Harry's wand when he went to the Ministry of Magic building for his trial? Wouldn't that have been easier?

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I have to go back over the passages about Ollivander... and they are few... but how old is he?

I have been wondering the same thing Angela. For me, JKR intimates that Ollivander is a lot older than he lets on. His shop is from 600 BC or something like that (sorry, no book handy to verify) and I always had the sneaky suspicion (going for the alliteration, <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D]<!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ) that he is the original owner. Of course, I realize that is pretty improbable unless he has his own Philospher's Stone elixir or has made his own fountain of youth as it were.



And what about the wand on the purple cloth in the window of his shop? What could be so special about that one? I heard a theory that someone thought it belonged to Merlin or something, who knows . . .



Back to the topic at hand, I have to say that Ollivander's appearance just seemed like comic relief to me. He was pretty hilarious at the wand weighing ceremony, you have to admit.



Perhaps, because of all the extra precautionary measures the Ministry and Dumbledore had put into place, someone of Ollivander's expertise was necessary for this ceremony. Plus, I think that they wanted the wands tested so that the losing headmaster(mistress) could not complain and so the tournament was rigged, as Karkaroff and Maxime tried to do when Harry was chosen.