Alright people, now that we have had time to sit and digest and accept (or deny, whatever your case may be) our hero's death, it may be time to start to think about what will happen in the sixth book.



As brought up in a previous topic, these titles have been registered by various HP-related companies, but all have been pretty much debunked for one reason or another:



Harry Potter and the Alchemist's Cell

Harry Potter and the Pyramids of Furmat

Harry Potter and the Chariots of Light

Harry Potter and the Mudblood Revolt

Harry Potter and the Quest of the Centaur

Harry Potter and the Battle for Hogwarts

Harry Potter and the Final Revelation



According to " The Patronus "

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Book Six has been started. JK Rowling's agent made the comment earlier in November that she has started the Book, but is not revealing the title or a release date. A small part of Chamber of Secrets is going to play a big part in Book Six, and it is confirmed by Steve Kloves and JK Rowling that this small part is included in the movie as well.

And according to the note that JK sent me, well, all of us in the "International Association of Potter Fans" from The Letter Box Project ,

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Well - David and book 6 which (before the press start up again with the writer's block stories) is flowing like a mountain stream.

So what do you think it means for those titles to be debunked? Does this debunk some theories, establish others? What about the hint that comes from Book 2? What do you think that is?



And specifically for us here at Immeritus, let's once again bring up Sirius. Will he be glossed over like Cedric (bad comparison, I know), or will he play a central role in Harry's character development in the next installment?



Btw, I hope this thread will become a discussion, and not a bunch of one liners, ok?


Edited by: magicalobizuth  at: 2/4/04 4:18 pm

I think Sirius will still play an important role in the 6th book. I don't think that he will reappear or something (if he will then in the 7th). But Sirius meant so much for Harry and will certainly play a great role in his character development. It wasn't easy for him to handle Cedric's death although he didn't had to do much with him (please excuse my miserable English today, my brain isn't working ). But now one of the persons which meant most for him is gone (I don't want to write that he died... We can't know) and it won't be easy for him.

About the chamber-thing: I really can't imagine what that will be! But as I said before, my brain isn't working...



I read on a German web page that JKR is getting along with very well the new book. We won't have to wait soooo long...

The debunked title that caught my interest was the one including something about pyramids. Doesn't Bill (Weasley) work in Egypt? This would provide a wonderful connection for Sirius' return, don't you think?? Being the always hopeful that Sirius doe return I think he will have a part....(maybe, hopefully even a central role). I certainly do not think that he will be pushed aside and more or less forgotten like Cedric. Yes, he does play a wonderful part in Harry's life and I don't think he should be taken away.



The debunking of the title(s) does not make me stray from my theories or ideas. It rather does the opposite, makes me think, how will my theory work into the story. Furthermore just because a certain title is debunked does not mean that a similar title may be used, one with the same subject matter....just a different title....Always optimistic about Sirius <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START : --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":]<!--EZCODE EMOTICON END-->Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub228.ezboard.com/bsiriusblackfanclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=siriusmyhero@siriusblackfanclub>siriusmyhero[/url] at: 2/5/04 11:26 am

Oooh, book 6 discussion. So problematic, because practically anything could happen, feasibly (well, not anything, exactly, but you get my drift).



I'm sure we haven't heard the last of Sirius. I don't think we'll ever see him alive again in canon, but he was so important to Harry they can't just go &quot;oh well, he's dead, what a shame, let's just carry on&quot;. I'm hoping perhaps Harry will turn to Lupin for support now? But he is a 16 year old now, so he might go through an &quot;I don't need ANYONE&quot; phase, before he realises how much he does.



I'm also hoping, though I don't know how likely it is, that we hear more about Regulus Black, who I have become fascinated by since OOTP, even though he only has about half a page devoted to him. Why bother mentioning him if he wasn't relevant, though?? As someone said before, in a nearly 900-page book, there's very little room for 'local colour'. We get the idea of how evil/dark the Black family was from the house and the descriptions of the rest of the family, why bother going into the details about him - the fact he was a Death Eater, how he died etc? As the old saying goes, &quot;never put a gun on stage if you aren't going to use it before the curtain falls&quot;.



And I want to see Peter Pettigrew again, find out what he's been up to and how his story plays out. Someone on another board pointed out the similarties once drawn between Peter and Neville (e.g. Harry saw Peter as having Neville's face when he pictured him for the first time in POA), and how interesting it would be to have a Peter/Neville showdown. Either way, we're sure to see him again.



As for the hint from COS, I'm intrigued. I've watched that movie dozens of times, and I can't for the life of me imagine what it could be. It shows it's not that part where Harry says he recognises Riddle's name, almost as if Riddle had been 'a friend he'd had when he was very small', which some people suggested, because that wasn't in the film. I can see I'm going to have to watch it again with a more critical eye and a notebook. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D]<!--EZCODE EMOTICON END-->



I'll edit this if I find anything... though I'm Captain Unobservant a lot of the time, so... meh. Sounds as though book 6 is going very well, though (and much quicker than the last one, it seems), so hopefully it won't be too far over the horizon...



Fascinating, this stuff is.



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As far as the Pyramid title, yes, one of the Weasleys is in Egypt, and much speculation was given about that, but I still don't think it is a real possible title. I don't own any of the video games, but it was said that perhaps they could be title's to levels and video game stuff (or at least, possible titles). Anywho...



as far as the clue, it has been brought up on mugglenet that the chocolate frogs could serve as some sort of Order communication (they cite Dumbledore commenting on not wanting to be taken off the cards no matter what - which I think was more of a cooky Dumbledore moment). I also don't think this is the case because they don't make an appearance in the second movie, right?



Now, back to Goblet, the whole thing with the reversal of spells that was caused by the brother wands that Voldemort and Harry have... does this mean that Harry and Voldermort cannot kill each other with the wands? Or does this mean that they have to catch each other off guard, or resort to killing each other the old fashioned way? I dunno.



Voldemort has to go down, but not in the next book. The fight has to continue until the seventh, but I think that since this book was so heavy and loaded with so much pain, the next book will carry an even heavier burden because they should be - by that time - in an all out war. There will be casualties, and I think more than one. How many people in the Order can be spared? What can make Harry stronger or weaker? What will it take to make Harry the savior of the wizarding world and not just some hormone ridden angsty teenager (hi Ms. E )?



Also, will JK ever take us out of Hogwarts to a far off land, like, say, the US (heh) or Egypt or somewhere not so cold and dank? I am just wondering if there will ever be a change of scenery.

Good call! I believe that Harry is going to lose another close companion (perhaps Ron as he is his best friend) and then Harry will be even more determined to destroy Voldemort. Nothing says revenge like love, right?



Now, I'm just hoping that neither Ron nor Hermione are killed. Friends keep each other alive by just their spirit and union so it would be almost numbing for Harry to lose even one of them. Everyone would almost expect Hermione to be written off but not Ron...but to lose Ron would just be devestating for a lot of people!



They took Sirius, what more do those Death Eaters want?!

The theory about Voldemort's and Harry's wands was spot on. I did have a question about it though, does it only occur when they cast there spells at the same time or otherwise? Also, was the wand destined for Harry a coincedince or was the a pre-made choice by someone (Dumbledore??)



As for Harry losing a close friend or some on close to him I don't think it will be someone really close like a Weasly (I don't mind Percy being gone though) or Hermione or any other close one. I mean come on J.K. He just lost his godfather he has previously lost his parents, you have to leave him someone!!



Sorry, this has nothing to do with my above theories just a humorous (kinda) afterthought, is anyone else picking up a mob-ish vibe, and it just had to be Harry's godfather. Ok this is enough theorizing for tonight

Mob? uh...



About the wands, you have to remember that it is the wand the chooses the wizard. Also remember Ollivander's surprise and almost awe at the fact that Harry's wand happened to be Voldemort's brother wand. I don't think Dumbledore has anything to do with it.

Um...yeah sorry about that I think the random outburst of my thoughts sometimes scare people.Also I was lacking in sleep *looks around* Yeah thats my excuse.

Heh.. I like that mob theory ^_^ Go, The Godfather!!!



Anywho, could we get more of an incite into the background of Tom?? I mean that was in the movie... ohhh.. or maybe about traveling back in time, I mean it's mentioned in almost every book....



*counts if it's mentioned in every book*



Yep it is... Hmm, maybe that will come into hand. Like Harry going back in time through a Pensive or something to learn of Voldie's weakness or learn more about him. They did have the diary taking Harry back in it.



What else did the movie show... I'm just gonna throw things down:

Harry pulling the Gryffindor sword out of the sorting hat... and him living at Godric's Hollow--any relation to Godric Gryffindor--maybe we'll learn of more heirs..

The Diary in general

Obliviation

Going into the Slytherin common room

Potions

Myrtle?

Aragog fighting in the war..



Whew... I can't really think of anything else.. I just threw stuff out.. Hopefully someone will get an idea.

* One by one the Muggles steal my sanity... *



~semper ubi sub ubi~



--Circe

It is mentioned more than once, by Hermione (so it must be right), that one cannot Disapparate or Apparate onto the school grounds. What did Dobby do in the Chamber of Secrets? Perhaps that will be clarified in the next book, because I am not going to say that it will be the major contributor to Book 6.



Hogwarts is obviously important in the series. Many characters say that as long as Dumbledore is at Hogwarts, everything will be okay. So that is the only reason I think that Dobby disapparating from the grounds could be important.



Also, many rumors exist saying that Harry is a descendant of Godric Gryffindor. Maybe that could come to play, considering his parents resided on Godric's Hollow and he pulled the sword from the hat, to which Dumbledore said only a "true Gryffindor" could do.



Just one more thing before I end this insane bit of rambling, on Jo's new website in the Extra Stuff section, she mentions that the opening chapter of Book 6 would be one of the discarded chapters from Book 1, a chapter that she tried in vain to put in Book 5 also. She says that here it works. Well, also in that section she mentions in particular an idea that she considered, but then dismissed. She says that she had Sirius meeting a character named Pyrites (who wore white silk gloves that she wanted to portray as stained with blood from time to time) in front of James and Lily's house the night of the murders. Well, I think that this will be the opening chapter of Book 6.



Check out her website: jkrowling.co.uk for more details.

Hi



I don't exactly have theories about Book 6, more what I'd call opinions.



* Professor Lupin will play an active role in Harry coming to terms with Sirius' death. Remus is, after-all, the only surviving member of Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs who is worthy of Harry's time and presence. I think that Lupin cares greatly for Harry and will be encouraged by Dumbledore to remind Harry of not just Sirius, but his father, James, and to also encourage (and possibly teach) Harry to expand on his knowledge of useful tactics in his inevitable battle against Voldemort.



* I feel that the mentioning of the character Mark Evans (OOTP) will either be hugely significant in Book 6 or another typical JKR red herring. The fact that he has the same last name as Lily Potter (nee Evans) and lives in the same area as Harry, could be meaningful. Or, it could be a simple co-incidence. Something springs to mind about no other Wizards or Witches being registered in Harry's area of dwelling. I think that the fact it's mentioned in OOTP that Mark Evans is 10 years old is more than small talk passed between Dudders and Harry. If Mark Evans is ten in OOTP, he'll be 11 in Book 6. Entry age to Hogwarts.



* The budding romantic relationship between Ron & Hermione (whom I firmly believe without a doubt will end up together) will be expanded on and Harry will also develop romantic feelings for a character (hopefully not Ginny Weasley - pre-dict-a-ble)



* Harry will look for, and find, a way to communicate with Sirius, but Sirius will not return in "human" form.



* Neville Longbottom's wizarding abilities will begin to develop much more now that he has his own wand, and he will become a powerful (and vengeful) ally of Harry's against Voldemort.



That's all I can think of right now, but I'll cut myself some slack considering it's 6:08 a.m.

Oh I have so many theories about this book.



*I think Harry will be a little more distant from Hermione and Ron. He definately won't tell them about the prophecy- guessing on their usual reactions. Also, those two will have the whole romance thing starting off. Without his best friends, it opens a whole door of possibility about who will be close to him. I reckon their will be 3 people in particular-

a. Neville Longbottom. Clearly Neville is important to the story, and I think we will see so much more of him in the next book. I reckon he will become part of the 'group'. Harry and him also have many similarities as both have lost their parents in some way. Again, considering the prophecy Harry will probably be curious about Neville.



b. Ginny Weasley. On the website, it says Ginny is the first Weasley gurl in years and that she is special. She has matured so much and I think that her and Harry will have a strong relationship, possibly leading to romance



c. Severus Snape. Before you all go crazy at this one, hear me out. With Sirius gone, Harry needs some kind of adult to lead him. It could either be Dumbledore, Lupin or Snape. After all the lies in 5th year, I doubt Harry will ever be as open to Dumbledore as he was previously. It created a wedge in that relationship.

This leaves Lupin and Snape. I think Harry is going to have so many problems throughout the year, and this is why I think it will be Snape rather than Lupin. Snape and harry have a connection- they both have a scar from Voldemort and Severus will understand the burdern of Harry's scar. Lupin will not be able to understand to the same extent. Snape may also cut harry some slack since Sirius is gone. I am not suggesting this will happen overnight, but i do think it will happen.



*Mark Evans is clearly significant. Rowling did this with Figg last year, slipping in the name as an indication. If Mark is related to Harry, this opens up a whole new chapter of possibility. Especially since everyone thougth Petunia was Harry's only living relative, and so did she, or else she wouldn't have taken in Harry.



I have so many of them, that was just a couple.

What do you guys think?

Laura

Edited by: <A HREF=http://p072.ezboard.com/bsiriusblackfanclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=siriuslivesinmyeyes>Sirius Lives In My Eyes[/url] at: 5/21/04 12:27 pm

Hi Laura



You have some wicked theories there!



It's neat that we both agree Neville will become an important part in Harry's battle against Voldemort. You are right that Harry may very well be more receptive to having Neville around as he will be curious about the connection they have regarding the Prophecy.



About Ginny. I agree that she is special in some way and think that as she matures, she will possess powers that will be of great assistance to either Harry or Voldemort in the final showdown.



I don't think your theory about Snape is crazy at all, infact many people I know believe whole-heartedly that the hatred between Harry and Snape will be resolved fully by the time the 7th book comes out. Because the 7th book will possibly consist mostly of the battle between Harry and V, I'm hoping that the mending of the sourness between Snape and Harry will happen in Book 6. *fingers crossed*



I also liked what you said about Snape and Harry both bearing the burden of having scars caused by Voldemort.



Annie

Annie and Laura, you both have extremely insightful theories. I do agree with both of you that Mark Evans has to have some significance. In fact, the point that you guys made that Mark will be coming of age in the next book really reinforces that.



JKR, on her website JKR's website, is currently taking a poll on which question she will answer next, and this question is one of them. Make sure, anyone who is interested, to go to that website and vote for it. I believe it is under Rumours or something similar, maybe News. Perhaps soon we will have confirmation of his significance.



I also believe that Harry will find a way to communicate with Sirius. Whether this belief stems from wishful thinking or fact, I still want it to happen.



Neville and Ginny will have to play a part in Harry's life now, a major part. And I agree that now he has his own wand, and some confidence, that he will blossom into a strong force in the whole series. People will be surprised at his transformation.



I have to question the whole thing with Snape, though. Like Dumbledore said, some things run pretty deep and I think that Snape is hiding something else to do with James than we know. It is one thing to hate someone for being made fun of, but another to loathe his son also. I am not sure, but I just think there is something else there. The whole point about the scars was great!



Also, though Dumbledore did hide a lot of things from Harry, I do not think that will create a rift between them. Harry will get over it, perhaps once he finds that way to communicate with Sirius. He has to realize that Dumbledore is one of the only people who can really protect him. In fact, I think once he learns all the precautions that Dumbledore set to protect him, he will come to his senses.



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