One of (many!) things that I've been wondering is this: while Snape is back at Hogwarts where is Peter Pettigrew and what is he doing? There's no further mention of him after Cissy and Bellatrix visit Snape's house in Chapter 2 and since Snape stays at Hogwarts during term time (or at least I assume so anyway, since all the teachers seem to be there any time day or night) is he still "assisting" Snape at LV's request.

Of course, this might not be an important issue, but since there has been some discussion in other threads that his life debt to Harry and his "new hand" might have some part to play in Book 7, I just thought I'd ask the question and see if any of you have any theories.

(apologies in advance to the Mods if I there is some other more suitable thread I should have posted this to)

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Also, it would explain his strange "Severus, please" statement. Perhaps he was hoping that Snape would read his mind and find out that he wasn't DD?

If Slughorn was in fact disguised as Dumbledore at the time of his death then the unbreakable vow would not have been fulfilled. Also, everyone saying that Dumbledore, Snape, etc. could have just used Legilimens to discover certain things i believe that the way it works is that the person this is being performed on must be thinking about the certain memory. It's a "mind-reading" technique not a mind-serching thing.

lunadiosa, i do and dont belive what you are saying. I am so confussed. I think that if snape if he did come back to our side, he would have not made the unbreakable curse. At the end of the day he is evil and thats that. I am sooooooooooo confussed.

That's a great unused clue, CV! I too wondered if, in chapter two, Snape was bluffing about knowing the plan. Your analysis of the scene is very good. However, something Snape says before making the vow indicates he knows what the task is. "He intends me to do it in the end, I think. But he is determined that Draco should try first.". But this could just be more bluff. Either way, he may have felt he was backed into a corner and couldn't avoid making the vow. He only flinched at the third vow. Perhaps he hoped Narcissa would not go that far.


Does this mean that Snape is still on the good side? Maybe, but it could mean that he was not ready to go against DD and expect to win.


Lunadiosas theory about this is great. I don't imagine LV trusting anyone, least of all someone as powerful and cunning as Snape. So, could the whole thing with Draco have been a set up by LV to test Snapes loyalty? It seems possible. Did Dumbledore and Snape anticipate such a test? I would like to think so. Well, there is a whole thread on HBP and DD, so I wont get into that here.


I'm not a supporter of the Slughorn taking Dumbledore's place theory. The small clues cited lend some support. Also, Slughorn was very upset about Lily's death and maybe he wanted to try and make amends. The main reason I don't agree with the theory is that the venture to the cave represented a rare time that Harry and DD spent important time together outside of school. I don't think JKR would have substituted another character in this situation.


Slightly off topic I think Slughorn is a good representation of a non-evil Slytherin. He is rather shallow and is predominately interested in people as contacts and in how knowing the right people increases his stature. However, he is not evil. He has no interest in helping LV and is genuinely saddened by Lily's death. I'd like to see more of this type of Slytherin.


This sort of connects to an unresolved clue. In OotP the sorting hat sings of the need for the houses to unite. Ever since I've been waiting for some Slytherins to take a stance against LV, in particular students rather than a teacher. I'm still waiting.

I know it has been brought up before, I'm not sure if it's in this thread or not, but the way the Avada Kedavra affected Dumbledore is odd. All the other deaths caused by this curse, including Sirius', resulted in the deceased simply falling back, not flying through the air and out of a window, which is consequently the same place Dumbledore's wand flew as well.

I do believe Dumbledore knew what Snape had done (the unbreakable vow), but is it possible that Snape, being a great wizard as well, only simply said the Avada Kedavra, but silently meant a different spell. This year the students were trying to learn how to say silent spells. And oddly enough it's Professor Snape who is teaching the students these nonverbal spells. Too many coincedences for me.

Dumbledore also offered sanctuary to Draco when he said that Voldemort would kill him if he didn't kill Dumbledore. Dumbledore told Draco in Chapter 27, "He cannot kill you if you are already dead. Come over to the right side, Draco, and we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine."

Is there then a way to seem dead when you're really not?

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I think part of Harry's problem with Snape was that he was saying all of his spells aloud. Snape already knew Harry was bad at nonverbal spells and (most likely) took advantage of this by shileding as soon as he saw Harry open his mouth. Harry should have worked harder on his DADA homework.

I think Snape could have also been trying to accomplish something for Harry. I know that Snape is a horrible person, you don't have to be a good guy to want to see Lord Voldemort not have power. So, if Snape is working FOR the Order of the Pheonix then maybe, just maybe Snape is trying to help Harry in a backward way. Here is what I mean. Snape knows exactly what 'buttons' to push with Harry (he has been Harry's teacher for 6 years now he should know what will get Harry riled up). Here he is deflecting Harry's spells and sneering at Harry all the while. What if he is trying to get Harry to go "I'll show him" and practice just what Snape was getting on him about...the non-verbal spells. I mean really, If Snape went up to Harry "you really will need to know this" I don't think Harry would really listen. Especially with what happened last year with the Occlumency lessons. But, Snape using the reverse psychology thing with Harry might just work.

I've already posted my thoughts on Snape and DDs portrait on other threads so won't bore you them with again here, but I do remember thinking when Harry ordered Kreacher to ' get out of it ', - Oh no, do you know what you've just done? Not seeing Kreacher since has me worried that he has now gone to the Malfoys.

I thought that we may see Fred and George's sheild cloaks in action, but no.

The mouth organ in DDs office is really puzzling me, I've got no idea on that at all.

I also thought Trelawney's card predictions were ramblings until the scene on the tower - spooky!

However there is something thats bothering me after rereading GOF. I'm not sure wether to post it here but as it also concerns the note from RAB I thought it may be of consequence. Well here it is...

GOF p.569 uk
In the graveyard, LV talking to DEs. " There was no hope of stealing the Philosopher's stone anymore, I knew DD would have it destroyed. But I was willing to embrace mortal life again, before chasing imortal. I set my sights lower... I would settle for my old body back again, and my old strength. "

This to me somehow made a connection with the note from RAB which was left in the necklace....

... " I face death in the hope that when you meet your match, you will be mortal once more. RAB "

It seems to me that RAB either had an uncanny insight to the future, or he may have known the prophecy. He had predicted that LV will become mortal again before he meets his match - Harry!

Anyone else have thoughts on this??

I agree that Voldemort will be mortal in the end but don't forget the last horcruxes. Or do you think they are all destroyed? Well... this topic crosses the one on Horcruxes so I will stop that.

On the issues posted here:
I think that Kreacher is really Harry's. Maybe in the next book he will not be Harry's anymore and in that way Harry will find out that Sirius is back in the land of the living... I keep hoping.


Further on I think the Slug club is important. It is the only club where there is friendship between the houses...and we all learned how impotant that is for vanquising Voldy....
Just see the sorting hat songs... all go on about getting together as houses, no hard feelings be one against evil.

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Is Voldemort mortal? I think that quote from GOF is an error, at least it conflicts with what is said in HBP. But I'm going to post this in the Thoughts on Horcruxes thread.


What will the form of Dumbledore's boggart reveal? JKR says it will tell us something and that HBP provides a clue. I'm guessing she means DD's reaction on drinking the green potion. His fear seemed to be about others suffering while he was powerless to prevent it. Or that others are suffering for an error that he made.


What would DD see in the mirror of Erised? Again, JKR is close mouthed.


ES: What would Dumbledore see?

JKR: I can't answer that.

ES: What would Dumbledore's boggart be?

JKR: I can't answer that either, but for theories you should read six again. There you go.

First , I expect that you will escuse my english, cause I'm french and I better read english than I write it....

I've got a question to submit you, If the horcruxe that harry + DD was a wrong one and if the right one Had be taken by someone else, why there is still this horrible green potion? And, why replacing the right one by a wrong one ? So, if someone else has got the right horcruxe who it is and where? Is it possible Slughorn...???...
Another way is that Harry have the RIGHT one but a curse had change it...

It' s just some ideas

The locket in Sirius Black's house is rumored to be that locket. Hencewhy hte coudln't open it. His brother is rumored to have taken it. Probably why the Death Eaters wanted him dead.

I also feel that Norville is the last Horcrux and that he is the chosen one Lord Voldemont chooses for it. He just wants Harry dead because he can stop him.

I've just found something on Mugglenet (i know, i seem to spend all my net time bouncing from Immeritus to Mugglenet) that made me practically inhale my tea, you know, one of those "OMG! I can't believe i missed that" moments.
It was a short editorial about a watch. The watch that Ron un-wraps with the stars and planets on it.
Did anyone else remember that at the begining of PS Dumbledore had a watch that sounds very similar to this one.

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He took a golden watch from his pocket and examined it. It was a very odd watch. It had twelve hands but no numbers; instead, little planets were moving around the edge.

The editorial mentions that Rons' watch was a gift from his parents, but that if DD was planning to/knew he was going to die, that he might want to pass on some possessions without giving anything (information) away. This part of the theory sounds a little dodgy to me, but i can't seem to get the similarities between the two watches out of my head.
Is there something to it? Or is it just another red herring?

Here's the link to the original editorial if you'd like to read it.

WOW - Thanks for that link AND WOW that does seem important . Plus, I think we've found another inconsitency between US and UK versions!

In my HBP (US edition) the watch is only described as

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a heavy gold watch with odd symbols aroung the edge and tiny moving stars instead of hands

I didn't think much about the watch because it said odd symbols and not planets! What exactly does the UK version say?

If this could be DD watch, then it better supports the theory that DD had a pact with Snape and knew he would not be around much longer. BUT what if DD is the only one who knows how to work the watch? What good will that do Ron and the trio in their battle?

This is making a million thoughts pop in my brain at once, so I'll leave to contemplate and may return later to add more, will definitely return to see if anyone else has a take on this.........

I can't remember the exact line in the UK version of PS, my best friend still has my copy. But it does say this on the Lexicon:

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watch, Dumbledore's This golden pocket watch has twelve hands. Instead of having numbers, little planets move along the edge of the face. (PS1)

It's not much but it does mention the planets.

Ron in HBP,

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'Seriously good haul this year!' he announced, holding up a heavy gold watch with odd symbols around the edge and tiny moving stars instead of hands.

As for Ron not being able to figure it out, that's what Hermione's for, with a mind like hers she's bound to figure it out. Or maybe the author of the editorial is right and Ginny or Luna will work out how to use it.

EDIT: I've just realised that DD's watch is described as having "twelve hands", and Ron's is described as having "tiny moving stars instead of hands".
Wether this is a small mistake (JK has said she does make them), or it is a completely different watch i'm not sure. I'm a little confused now!

Perhaps, it is just a coincidence. But I have to say leanorathelegen1, that your post and that editorial from MuggleNet had me very excited.

It seemed to be just another tid-bit that could prove so much. Perhaps show us that DD indeed know he wasn't going to be around much longer or perhpas a nod into what DD and Snape.

Anyway, now with it seems it might be a bit of a stretch, the difference in the mentioning of the symbols instead of planets and stars instead of twelve hands --------oh, I wish, book 7 was finished. All this speculation is driving me a bit loopy, but what an interesting ride to crazyville it is...

By the way thanks for posting again and filling in the rough edges for me. Appreciated it very much.