*is hit by a totally random but slightly logical idea*

Hmmm... if the mirrors were Horcruxes, what if there were four of them? One for Gryffindor, one for Slytherin, one for Hufflepuff, one for Ravenclaw? That may have been thier means of communication.

I'm not sure how Sirius and James would have got (at least two of) them, but then again, were did James get the Invisibility Cloak? (Rowling said he got it from his father, but then where did his father get it? And if it's a sort of family hierloom, were did the Potters get it in the first place? ....Is there something I've missed?)

Anyway, if there are four, what if Voldie has one or even the other two? I know there would be protection spells or something, but maybe only on the ones he has.

What do you think?

I know this is kind of off topic for horcruxes or horcruxi however you want to say it, but maybe Hermoine will use the same idea as the mirrors in Deathly Hallows. If you remember back to OOTP she used the same idea as the dark mark on the coins. If she does that then what J.K said about the mirrors being important would still hold true without the mirrors actually showing up just a mention of something like " I got the idea from the mirror that Sirius gave you". Just to stay on topic with the horcruxes I still have to believe Dumbledore was right on with what he thought. The only reason i think this is because it would be really difficult for Harry to find 4 items he knew absolutely nothing about in 1 book

Mmm, now that's a thought. Four mirrors, one for each founder, used to communicate or maybe something else, too.
One is Sirius' mirror, the second was James'. And the third and fourth? One might be a Horcrux - either James' (if Voldemort succeeded in creating one before the Avada Kedavra backfired) or another one. If James owns Gryffindor's and Sirius Slytherin's, that might leave Ravenclaw's mirror to be a Horcrux, as we didn't have anything from her yet.

It's still quite a stretch, mind. The only thing supporting the theory might be the "mirrors" and "cracked things" running bits throughout the books. We have a cracked mirror over the basin leading to the Chamber of Secret (connection to Tom Riddle's diary), we had a cracked mirror in the dream Harry had in OotP, where he is Voldemort and looks at himself in a mirror.
We have the cracked ring Dumbledore wears, which was also one of Lord Voldemort's Horcruxes.
And now we have the, not cracked, but shattered mirror of Harry. All these things might be pointing towards the Two-Way-Mirrors. It's a bit sketchy. Can you find any other support for the theory? In an interview maybe?
I'll look for some more information on the mirrors, but I haven't found much yet, apart from the quotes that were already mentioned.

Love,
~Glam

Sorry for the delay in responding, Glam and Grimlook.
Thanks for taking the time to read my possiblity and commenting.
Unfortunately, I don't have any other "evidence" to back up my suggestion of the Two-Way Mirrors being a horcrux. I just wanted to raise the possibility of an object not mentioned. I still think it possible, especially since JK says they will be relevant in books Six and Seven.

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One point I could add for the theory though: there probably was an object in Godric's Hollow that Voldemort intended to make a Horcrux of. It is quite possible that James' mirror was that object.

This is possible, but I disagree with it. Voldemort put as much time in picking the objects to use as Horcruxes as he did in the murders used to make one. I don't think he knew ahead of time of anything he deemed worthy enough to hold his soul being at Godric's Hollow, nor do I think he would have chanced there being something there to use. I believe he already had or had access to the sixth object he planned on using with Harry's murder. This, however, brings up another question...if he already had the sixth object waiting, why then did he opt to use Nagini later as his last Horcrux (that is, of course, if Dumbledore is correct here) instead of that object??

HBP, pg. 505, emphasis mine.

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"The locket!" said Harry loudly. "Hufflepuff's cup!" "Yes," said Dumbledore, smiling, "I would be prepared to bet---perhaps not my other hand---but a couple of fingers, that they became Horcruxes three and four. The remaining two, assuming again that he created a total of six, are more of a problem, but I will hazard a guess that, having secured objects from Hufflepuff and Slytherin, he set out to track down objects owned by Gryffindor or Ravenclaw. Four objects from the four founders would, I am sure, have exerted a powerful pull over Voldemort's imagination. I cannot answer for whether he ever managed to find anything of Ravenclaw's. I am confident, however, that the only known relic of Gryffindor remains safe."

Although it is extremely likely that we will discover a Horcrux from a Ravenclaw object, it is possible that there isn't one and we're putting too much emphasis on the need for one from each founder. Also, the sword, by Dumbledore's words, is the only known relic of Gryffindor....doesn't mean there isn't an unknown one waiting to be discovered in book 7.

Although the idea of four Two-Way Mirrors is intriguing DSG, I doubt this is the case. The Founders were the four great wizards of the time. One would think they would have better ways to communicate with one another. Maybe my view is this way because of really the only information we have on the mirrors---that Sirius and James used them to talk during separate detentions. Makes them sound more of juvenile, if you will, form of communication.

There is no mention about where the mirrors came from, but I think they were Sirius' to start with. Either that, or they nicked them from the caretaker (?) during their Hogwarts years. I don't know when Sirius would have gotten the one James used back though. However "juvenile" they seem, they would have remained useful, I would think. We're told that the house was demolished after Voldemort's attack, so I find it unlikely that a mirror would have survived, but it's possible, as we know Sirius showed up soon after the attack.

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Spello, at first I thought you were were completely crazy, but after reading your post I only think you're half crazy.

Um, thanks...this is always good to know.

This became a bit of a ramble. Hope some of it makes sense.

Spello

It's fine if you guys disagree. It's just a theory, after all.

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Makes them sound more of a juvenile, if you will, form of communication.

So then I thought about how the Hat mentions somewhere in one of the books that Gryffindor and Slytherin were great friends before they started fighting about how students should be selected.

So what if the two mirrors belonged to them, and they used them when they were kids? They weren't always the Great Founders, you know.

It's also possible that Sirius and James got them from Filch, but then I'd be going on a long rant as to how he got them...

Just a thought...more like a crazy conclusion actually, but here it is.

This has been quite informative for me! I was thinking that Harry was a Horcrux, too, when I first finished the book, but now i'm thinking otherwise! Hey, i wonder if you CAN use someone as a Horcrux. HMM.... If so, then maybe Nagini is an animagus! Just a thought.

I lost track of some stuff in this mammoth of all threads... but Proudfoot had a thought in the Magic Number 7 thread that maybe there is a Horcrux that we have seen in each book. This is a really neat theory since we can already sort some of them. The diary was CoS, the locket was OotP, and the ring or the cup would have been introduced in HBP. Now I know that this puts two in one book... but we might have seen a ring or a cup that we over looked before. Can anyone remember hearing about this? Maybe Hufflepuff's cup was placed somewhere in the trophy room when Voldemort returned to the school. What if he wasn't there to make a Horcrux but to hide one??? As we saw with the diary, he doesn't always place high security on his Horcruxes. Maybe the cup has some important function.

Another book that we were introduced to a potential Horcrux is GoF. We met Nagini then. If Dumbeldore is right, we now have 4 books in which we first discovered a Horcrux.

Now... if I'm right about the cup in the trophy room, that would place it in PS. Or... what if the mirror of Erised is a Horcrux?? Voldemort seemed to know how the mirror worked so doesn't that suggest that he has seen it before? Maybe even used it? Perhaps an object that powerful and clever once belonged to Ravenclaw.

So here's my summary of the Horcruxes using Proudfoot's awesome theory:

PS: cup or mirror (with the mirror having much less evidence)

CoS: diary (if Griffyndor's sword is a Horcrux, this theory is shot... but I doubt Dumbeldore would have overlooked a Horcrux in his office and it would have occurred to him to check it out once the realized Voldemort was after items from the four founders)

PoA: Any ideas?? Was there ever mention of a ring or cup in PoA?

GoF: Nagini

OotP: the locket

HBP: the cup or the ring

DH: Voldemort's remaining piece of soul in himself


The theory fits pretty closely, doesn't it? Thanks Proudfoot!!! I'm now even more excited to see if we all overlooked a Horcrux in PoA and PS.

Right, srry if this has come up before in this topic, but i really can't bring myself to reap 32 pages of thoughts. Right, this is my theory:
Ive always thought that something was weird about them horocruxes.
look, Voldemort makes 6
horocruxes, leaving a seventh part of his soul in his body. he tries to kill
harry ( blah blah) and dies. he then wakes up in transilvania... which means
he's used up one horocrux! the part of the soul that was hidden in transilvania in some object, is now in the body that wormtail "gave/prepared" for Voldemort! so Harry thinks there is:
1. Tom Riddle's diary (destroyed)
2. Marvolo Gaunt's ring (destroyed)
3. Slytherin's locket (presumed destroyed by RAB)
4. Hufflepuff's cup (whereabouts unknown)
5. Nagini the giant snake (Dumbledore's guess)
6. ?
But, either 4 or 6 was in transilvania and Voldemort used it up. which means,
presuming the salazar locket has not been destroyed, Harry only has 3 horocruxes
to destroy!
Note:
This is in line with the idea that Voldemort hasn't made more horocruxes since his re-birth.
Another theory is that a horocrux is actually an anchor for your soul. since part of your soul is still on earth, the other part, (which is in the wizards body) cannot leave the earth. however, if this is true, horocruxes can not be destroyed. This is because when you make a horocrux, you trap part of your soul in an object. if you destroy the object, then that part of the soul is free to leave this world. if the horocruxes prevent your soul leaving, how can you destroy them?
Pls give me feedback or tell me im Insane!

Hi Vince, welcome to Immeritus!
Yes, the thread is quite long, but it's by far not the longest in here. It pays off to at least scan the whole thing before you post.

In answer to your theory: I think you misinterpreted the scene where Voldemort tries to kill Harry. The Killing Curse did rebound on him, but he didn't die. His body was destroyed, but the seventh of soul that was still in him survived and fleed to Albania.

Horcruxes are not impossible to destroy; they anchor the bit of soul that is actually in your real body. Meaning that if you are killed and have a Horcrux, your soul can't leave the earth - it's bound by the Horcrux.
If the Horcrux itself (the "anchor") is destroyed however, the soul will die with the body.

I hope this helped a bit... See you around!

~Glam

wait, so horocruxes don't get used up? but then why does Voldemort want 7? he thinks he's the only one that knows about the horocruxes, so when he dies and stayes on earth, he just makes another one. why would he maim his soul in such a way:?:
thx anyhow
Vince

It's because Voldemort knows that 7 is the most magically powerful number. Also, it's easy to see that it's much harder to find 6 Horcruxes than it is one. Harry would have made Voldemort mortal back in CoS if he had only made 1 Horcrux. It's the age old theory of not putting all of your eggs in one basket. As for not making more than 6, that's the power of the number 7 playing into Voldy's mind.

Englaroma wrote:

Hi Vince, welcome to Immeritus! Yes, the thread is quite long, but it's by far not the longest in here. It pays off to at least scan the whole thing before you post. In answer to your theory: I think you misinterpreted the scene where Voldemort tries to kill Harry. The Killing Curse did rebound on him, but he didn't die. His body was destroyed, but the seventh of soul that was still in him survived and fleed to Albania. Horcruxes are not impossible to destroy; they anchor the bit of soul that is actually in your real body. Meaning that if you are killed and have a Horcrux, your soul can't leave the earth - it's bound by the Horcrux. If the Horcrux itself (the "anchor") is destroyed however, the soul will die with the body. I hope this helped a bit... See you around! ~Glam

I disagree. I think a horcrux was used up when Voldemort "died" after his curse on Harry backfired. If the 7th of his soul survived the killing curse, what exactly would kill that part of his soul? I think he was transported to Transylvania precisely because there was a horcrux waiting for him there and that part of his soul was kept alive until the graveyard.

So I'm thinking there are only 3 horcruxes left to find.

The diary, the ring and whatever was in transylvania are used. The locket was supposedly destroyed by RAB. This leaves 3.

Jeanann, the night in Godric's Hollow, Voldemort's body was destroyed. What was left was something less than a spirit, somthing "meaner than the meanest ghost", and I can't imagine this could describe anything but the bit of soul that stayed on Earth.
He says it himself that his experiments have worked, so the Horcruxes must have saved his soul from dying. (I'll be back with quotes, I don't have the books here. Sorry.)

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If the 7th of his soul survived the killing curse, what exactly would kill that part of his soul?

The only thing that could "kill" this part of the soul would be destroying all other Horcruxes.

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I think he was transported to Transylvania precisely because there was a horcrux waiting for him there and that part of his soul was kept alive until the graveyard.

Now it's really bad I can't quote... but I think it says somewhere in the books that Voldemort fled. He couldn't have "used" another Horcrux because his Horcruxes are bound to objects.

I think the problem is to differentiate between LV's Horcruxes, and his soul. He, with his seventh of a soul, is not a Horcrux. He can't be destroyed like the other ones. He is immortal, while the Horcruxes can be destructed.

Otherwise, if the Horcruxes were used up each time someone tries to kill Voldemort, they would just give him seven lives, and not make him immortal.

I hope this was halfway coherent, I'm a bit sleepy...

Love,
~Glam

I'd just like to point out somat that was said in the last message:

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Jeanann, the night in Godric's Hollow, Voldemort's body was destroyed. What was left was something less than a spirit, somthing "meaner than the meanest ghost", and I can't imagine this could describe anything but the bit of soul that stayed on Earth.

Now, I know that Englaroma meant that the piece of soul was the one that had been in Voldy's body, but what if voldy woke up in Transylvania? The piece of soul in an object would have gotten out of the object and he'd still be "less than the meanest ghost". Just a piece of soul like Englaroma said.
I however see your point, and, although I thank Jeanann for backing me up, I think you've got me converted. This is because I was thinking that if Horocruxes aren't ancors, then, when voldy became old, he would die and use up one Horocrux. Thus Voldy would either have to continue making more and more horocruxes or he would just have a very extended life and die. It would be kind of a long elixir of life from the philosopher stone, which voldy would not want.
There is however not enough description in the book to be certain, but it does point to this line of thinking.
Thanks

One thing that I think is something to be considered about Nagini being a horcrux...

(and I have yet to read all the pages so this may just be already spoken of):

But why would Voldemort put part of himself in something LIVING--something MORTAL, like a snake. I mean it's a good idea--put part of himself in the snake who is forever, in a manner of speaking, loyal--but it's partially the same reason I also don't think Harry is a horcrux. (apart from it making no sense that Voldemort would make Harry one after the prophecy said he had to kill him...) Either way, the snake is mortal. It can die easily, which makes it a threat to Voldemort's soul that it could perish so quickly and without warning.

I'm sure Nagini would put up a good fight--may even be magical--but it's a living thing...and living things are mortal, unless of course Nagini made ITS own horcrux...but I think we can safely say that will not and did not happen.

So I don't believe that Nagini is a horcrux. Nor Harry--that one just doesn't make any sense. I've ever heard it argued that perhaps Harry could ACCIDENTALLY have been made a horcrux...but from what we know about Horcruxes, they seem like REALLY dark magic...and particularly complicated. Yes, he had just killed Harry's parents so the murders were accounted for, but I don;t think an accidental horcrux is in the question. It just seems like it would be too complicated for a "whoops.." creation.

I do think that Voldemort was probably trying to use Harry's death, the one that he probably thought was inevitable in the prophecy, to create his last horcrux. Because what could be more powerful than using a prophecised wizard's death in creating your strongest horcrux?

The one thing I think we all forget here is that Dumbledore assumes that there are seven horcruxes...but this is certainly not a PROVEN fact. What if Voldemort was using Harry to create his final horcrux and failed to create it after he was reduced to nothing more than a wandering soul himself? I mean...it's just something to consider.

And with 32 pages and counting, again, I will never know how much of this has already been posted...but it's all things that have been rattling around in my head for awhile and I just had to get them out there.