I've been wondering for a while what book 7 is going to be like (me and everyone else) but I was wondering will it be affected by Dumbledore's death.(Hopefully this has not been posted before?) For me DD has always been a presense throughout the books and the fact that he won't be in the next one is a bit offputting. (although I still can't wait!!!)

Although we are all sad about Dumbledore's death, I wonder how many people will find book 7 hard to read without our favourite white bearded man popping in with some wisdom to share?

I think it will be hard for us that he won't be there in person, or as much "in person" as he can be considering it's a book...But Harry will always be mentioning him. "Dumbledore said...." Dumbledore is to Harry what Mr. Crouch was to Percy, I think. An Idol. Someone who was perfect but still made mistakes.

Of course Book 7 will be affected by Dumbledore's death...Without his death, Harry could not defeat Lord Voldemort. His death put together two main components that Harry needed: Love and Loss. Anyway. I'm done.

I expect Hermione will mention DD more than Harry or Ron will. My sense is that she always did in the past, but that is only an impression.

She probably will, quote for quote. I think she'll mention his speeches a lot, and things he said in front of her alone or all three of them, but i'm saying Harry will probably mention his 'lessons' with Dumbledore more. Like "Dumbledore thought...(insert something Dumbledore thought)...about (insert thing Dumbledore thought something about) and I think..." ect. Stuff like that. Does that make sense? Like Dumbledore thought that Tom probably killed that one lady who had the Cup and the Locket, and Harry thinks that the Cup or Locket might still be there. Does that help it make more sense...?

I don't see how the 7th book could possibly -not- be affected by Dumbledore's death. I mean, after all... he was Harry's mentor and advisor-- not just Harry's, actually; so many people looked to him for wisdom, for advice, for help... even for a bit of humour-- and he was also the only one Lord Voldemort ever feared. He was a very important character from the beginning, so of course it will be very different without him there.

...and this post was probably quite lame, sorry-- that's what I get for trying to do three things at once while composing it!

Dumbledore's death will definitely affect Book 7. Before, he was about the only person whose word we could actually trust - because since he was so wise, it was assumed he was correct. On the other hand, other people's claims weren't always correct; I mean, look at what happened with Sirius and Wormtail. Major mistake.
So with him gone, we won't know if JKR is telling us the truth or just leading us in the wrong direction. Unless some other wise old wizard jumps out.

Harry has also lost his most important mentor. He may not have appreciated Dumbledore much in Book 5, but Dumbledore was important nonetheless. With Sirius and Dumbledore gone, Harry can only turn to very few people, like Lupin and maybe Moody.

I think that's the whole point though, that Dumbledore died, and Harry doesn't have anyone else to look to. He has to go foward alone, without other people trying to protect him. Of course there will be others there to help him, but ultimately it has to be Harry...

First, I admit that HP7 should be the culmination of a seven-book saga in which DD has played a pivotal part. Then...

BaraRose wrote:

...I'm saying Harry will probably mention his 'lessons' with Dumbledore more. Like "Dumbledore thought...(insert something Dumbledore thought)...about (insert thing Dumbledore thought something about) and I think..." ect. Stuff like that.

Remember that Hermione and Ron already know about these things; Harry was sharing the contents of his meetings with DD with his friends in HBP, so he would likely only bring up the subject to remind them (or the reader) of an important detail. More likely, thought, Hermione will remember the detail, being the better scholar.

BaraRose wrote:

I think that's the whole point though, that Dumbledore died, and Harry doesn't have anyone else to look to. He has to go foward alone, without other people trying to protect him. Of course there will be others there to help him, but ultimately it has to be Harry...

My sense is that the trio of friends will move forward together, although I do not discount strong contributions from Neville and Ginny, perhaps Luna as well. The movement throughout the book suggests a movement from older generations to younger generations, and Harry, Ron, and Hermione (whether or not they survive) represent the generation of the future, the one that will bring about the victory (assuming JKR doesn't let evil win just to yank our chains) and begin to build the future.

he will for sure. his death will drive harry and ron and hermione ( but definatly harry) to fight against voldemort. he probably will come back to a potrait and harry might get one for himself then he will always got to him for advice but then maybe there is only on portrait and thats in the headmasters office and he might not even be able to get to it since he said that he woulndt be coming back to hogwarst next year.

What you're saying is that Dumbledore's death will affect the book and it'll bring the trio to fight against Lord Voldemort, and that Dumbledore will probably come back in a portrait, right? And also that Harry might get one, but maybe not because there might only be one that Harry might not be able to get to because he said he's not going back ro Hogwarts, right?

That's what I think you said, anyway...Correct me if i'm wrong.

I don't think Harry will spend much time grieving over Dumbedore; I think he'll be too busy searching for the Horcruxes and trying to destroy them so he can destroy Voldemort. Of course, Dumbledore will come up at times because he's the one who started Harry out on the journey. I also think that Harry will feel he can avenge Dumbledore's death by destroying Voldemort and possibly Snape. But that's just my opinion.

My recollection is that the portraits in the Headmaster's Office are somewhat different than other wizard portraits.

Mostly, they are bound to help the current Head of Hogwartz (although I'm not sure what that means--I'm not sure it means telling DD's successor what DD said to Harry, for example). Phineas Nigellus may have to help DD, but the portrait of Sirius's mom certainly feels no obligation even to be civil to Sirius, the portrait's presumed owner in OotP.

So I am not sure that Harry's having a portrait of DD would necessarily help him the way the portrait in the Head's Office will help (presumably McGonnagal--unless she is somehow replaced: the MoM may not yet be done interfering). If Harry does get a portrait of DD (and I agree with BaraRose that he will probably not consider it a priority), DD could through some special power endow the portrait with more than normal capabilities, but more likely it will just "reflect DD's propensities in life" as other portraits do--sorry, I forget where this comes out in the books.

All in all HP7 will, I expect, be about the trio, along with a new creature or two (as usual), and a couple of unforeseen (and hitherto underused) allies planted in earlier books and picked up along the way. Dumbledore may be oft quoted but not reappear.

I'm really sorry if I was rude earlier - today's been a tough day. I really didn't mean to be.

I completely agree with Derek. We seem to agree a lot. I think your quote came out somewhere in book 5, but I could be wrong.

I'm fairly certain that what passed between Harry and Dumbledore will stay between Harry and Dumbledore, except for what he chose to tell Ron and Hermione, and possibly Ginny, Neville, or Luna. I think since Dumbledore's portrait reflects his personality, he will likely tell the new headmaster/mistress that it's none of their business, in a polite but definate way.

I think it will affect in a great way my lovely freinds because the Dark Lord
will feel he can do anything he likes know that A.D is out of the way.
Maybe the good guys will be out number, but they will still win the figth agaisnt evil.
I mean like if the Minstry don't join the good guys than they well be out number.
To me it seem like You-Know-Who will take over the Minstry of magic
and he will take over their bodies too.
I know what i'm saying don't make senes, but no one really
knows what J.K would write or do in the 7th bok.

she was killing off his mentors...sirius(*pout*) and dumbledore..he's on his own...

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